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		<title>By: social scientist</title>
		<link>http://evangelicalatheist.com/2006/03/16/grandma-moses/#comment-4875</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 13:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brent,
         I am a Christian too, so I am not against you as a person ok, but I have to say you lack sensitivity to I am, his grandma has just died for crying out loud. If what you said needed to be said to I am (he is fair game if he has a blog site) now was not the time to say it, a little Christian love would not have gone astray, I am is a person with feelings you know.</description>
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<p>Brent,<br />
         I am a Christian too, so I am not against you as a person ok, but I have to say you lack sensitivity to I am, his grandma has just died for crying out loud. If what you said needed to be said to I am (he is fair game if he has a blog site) now was not the time to say it, a little Christian love would not have gone astray, I am is a person with feelings you know.
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		<title>By: Brent Jackson</title>
		<link>http://evangelicalatheist.com/2006/03/16/grandma-moses/#comment-4861</link>
		<dc:creator>Brent Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2006 22:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greetings and blessings to you.

I don't believe that you have your facts straight.  I don't know any Christian who wants anyone else to suffer.  Nope, quite the opposite.  Christians believe in a healthy life (and style) and an abundance of it.  It is not my choice nor yours to decide who lives, who suffers, and who utimately succeeds.  Death of the flesh is certain.  Pain associated with death is almost certain.  God set these rules to live by (including pain of the flesh).  We must all endure these trials and tribulations as one of the prerehquisits of entering Heaven.  Think of it as a test of the flesh.

As far as comparing humans to 3rd class animals, I don't think we are even in the same category.  If you believe so, then it would not be a crime for me to come and purchase you from your "Master" and put you to work at my house like a slave.  This is the same type of classification that was wrongly placed upon the black slaves of our country which eventually equated to a civil war.  Domestic animals were placed upon this earth for us to control, eat, and do our will.

Your blame of the christian society as to why your grandmother is suffering is also out of place.  Once again, I don't know of any chrisitan who is against the use of pain-killers to alleviate pain.  It seems that you have a deep seeded hatred towards christians in your writtings and seem to blame everything that is wrong in your life on them or their idealogy.

I am wondering what is keeping you from picking up a big stone and crushing your grandmothers head?  Oh yeah, those christians outlawed murdering people too!!!  The very laws that you complain about has kept you alive on this earth thus far.  Then when tragedy strikes, you are quick to blame the christians for your problems.  Don't you think that other people experience similar situations?  Sometimes when we speak, we are just sharing to the world our ignorance of real life.

Thanks for sharing!

May God Bless you and guide you to your answers,

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<p>Greetings and blessings to you.</p>
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<p>I don&#8217;t believe that you have your facts straight.  I don&#8217;t know any Christian who wants anyone else to suffer.  Nope, quite the opposite.  Christians believe in a healthy life (and style) and an abundance of it.  It is not my choice nor yours to decide who lives, who suffers, and who utimately succeeds.  Death of the flesh is certain.  Pain associated with death is almost certain.  God set these rules to live by (including pain of the flesh).  We must all endure these trials and tribulations as one of the prerehquisits of entering Heaven.  Think of it as a test of the flesh.</p>
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<p>As far as comparing humans to 3rd class animals, I don&#8217;t think we are even in the same category.  If you believe so, then it would not be a crime for me to come and purchase you from your &#8220;Master&#8221; and put you to work at my house like a slave.  This is the same type of classification that was wrongly placed upon the black slaves of our country which eventually equated to a civil war.  Domestic animals were placed upon this earth for us to control, eat, and do our will.</p>
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<p>Your blame of the christian society as to why your grandmother is suffering is also out of place.  Once again, I don&#8217;t know of any chrisitan who is against the use of pain-killers to alleviate pain.  It seems that you have a deep seeded hatred towards christians in your writtings and seem to blame everything that is wrong in your life on them or their idealogy.</p>
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<p>I am wondering what is keeping you from picking up a big stone and crushing your grandmothers head?  Oh yeah, those christians outlawed murdering people too!!!  The very laws that you complain about has kept you alive on this earth thus far.  Then when tragedy strikes, you are quick to blame the christians for your problems.  Don&#8217;t you think that other people experience similar situations?  Sometimes when we speak, we are just sharing to the world our ignorance of real life.</p>
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<p>Thanks for sharing!</p>
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<p>May God Bless you and guide you to your answers,</p>
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		<title>By: social scientist</title>
		<link>http://evangelicalatheist.com/2006/03/16/grandma-moses/#comment-4763</link>
		<dc:creator>social scientist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2006 23:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;a href="#comment-4736" title="View the original comment" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;em&gt;roya on March 29, 2006 at 3:32 am said:&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

SS: "the riots at Cronulla beach (done by atheists)!"
Prove it.

It wan't about christianity?
Well christians made sure it was.
To name a few known devouted Christian commentaters, Piers Akerman, and Andrew Bolt, (Others I don't know their names), who were so quick to point the finger at Muslims.
At seven and nine news, some churches called for harmony, in order to get attention, which made the problem to look like a problem of Islam. 
The fundamental christian leader of liberal party NSW attacked the laber party for not being aggressive enough on Muslims.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Roya,
         Just because Christians may have commented after the riots or during them does not mean it was a Christian vs Muslim thing. The media always seeks out the Christian opinion on major moral issues, that does not mean they are involved in it, others gave their opinion  on this issue too, such as the police, politicians, a Lebanese muslim leader and social workers. No Christians were directly involved in the riot, neither did the churches bad mouth Islam or muslims, why do you think that calling for harmony is to get attention? You have to understand that these Lebanese gangs apparently committed acts of violence for over a decade before the local atheist youths took them on in this riot so it was not an unprovoked attack on Lebanese Australians, though as I said before the Lebanese youths felt discriminated against all thier lives even more so after 9/11 so thier violent attitude had a root cause too. I think it is hard for Australians to accept that the problem does not stem from the muslim faith, not just because of 9/11 but also because of the decades of Islamic inspired violence we see muslim groups such as the Lebanese committing in other countries on tv. Lebanese Muslims may think it is religiously acceptable to blow up a school bus and kill unarmed innocient children in Israel, but when Australians see that on tv they think we have to tighten immigration so we do not have muslims come here and do that in our land. Most non-muslim nations believe the land of Israel belongs to the true Israelites who have lived there according to historic records for thousands of years, Israel is a Hebrew word obviously and the true Israelites are the Jewish people. Lebanon was the base for terror attacks on Israel instigated by Yasser Aarafat for decades after the Jews drove him out of Gaza, what was he fighting for? It was not to regain his land, Yasser was born in Egypt not Israel. Australians would want to return to their land if they were separated from it by invasion like the Jews were, it wouldn't matter if it was 50 years or 100 years they were separated from their land they would want to return as soon as they could, the need for the Jews to return to their land is no different. As it is the Jews have lost a large portion of land that was for thousands of years a part of Isreal, Jordon was taken by invasion and was renamed after the river Jordon by the invading Arabs, it was a part of the land of Israel prior to this invasion. 

I think the terrorist label that muslims have to wear is a fair one really and if muslims want to convince the world that they are not terrorists they need to cease the terrorists activities that they have been committing against other nations and races from the beginning of the religion to the present day in Israel, Africa and in Europe in the countries around Russia. The world is not going to believe that Islam is not a religion of terror until it's adherents give the world a reason to believe that by stopping all terrorist attacks (how many times did Arafat turn down peace treaties and truces and continue terror attacks after Israel withdrew as a token of peace only to have to go back in to control terrorists attacking them during a cease fire?).</description>
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<blockquote><a href="#comment-4736" title="View the original comment" rel="nofollow"><em>roya on March 29, 2006 at 3:32 am said:</em></a></p></blockquote>
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<p>SS: &#8220;the riots at Cronulla beach (done by atheists)!&#8221;<br />
Prove it.</p>
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<p>It wan&#8217;t about christianity?<br />
Well christians made sure it was.<br />
To name a few known devouted Christian commentaters, Piers Akerman, and Andrew Bolt, (Others I don&#8217;t know their names), who were so quick to point the finger at Muslims.<br />
At seven and nine news, some churches called for harmony, in order to get attention, which made the problem to look like a problem of Islam.<br />
The fundamental christian leader of liberal party NSW attacked the laber party for not being aggressive enough on Muslims.</p>
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<p>Roya,<br />
         Just because Christians may have commented after the riots or during them does not mean it was a Christian vs Muslim thing. The media always seeks out the Christian opinion on major moral issues, that does not mean they are involved in it, others gave their opinion  on this issue too, such as the police, politicians, a Lebanese muslim leader and social workers. No Christians were directly involved in the riot, neither did the churches bad mouth Islam or muslims, why do you think that calling for harmony is to get attention? You have to understand that these Lebanese gangs apparently committed acts of violence for over a decade before the local atheist youths took them on in this riot so it was not an unprovoked attack on Lebanese Australians, though as I said before the Lebanese youths felt discriminated against all thier lives even more so after 9/11 so thier violent attitude had a root cause too. I think it is hard for Australians to accept that the problem does not stem from the muslim faith, not just because of 9/11 but also because of the decades of Islamic inspired violence we see muslim groups such as the Lebanese committing in other countries on tv. Lebanese Muslims may think it is religiously acceptable to blow up a school bus and kill unarmed innocient children in Israel, but when Australians see that on tv they think we have to tighten immigration so we do not have muslims come here and do that in our land. Most non-muslim nations believe the land of Israel belongs to the true Israelites who have lived there according to historic records for thousands of years, Israel is a Hebrew word obviously and the true Israelites are the Jewish people. Lebanon was the base for terror attacks on Israel instigated by Yasser Aarafat for decades after the Jews drove him out of Gaza, what was he fighting for? It was not to regain his land, Yasser was born in Egypt not Israel. Australians would want to return to their land if they were separated from it by invasion like the Jews were, it wouldn&#8217;t matter if it was 50 years or 100 years they were separated from their land they would want to return as soon as they could, the need for the Jews to return to their land is no different. As it is the Jews have lost a large portion of land that was for thousands of years a part of Isreal, Jordon was taken by invasion and was renamed after the river Jordon by the invading Arabs, it was a part of the land of Israel prior to this invasion. </p>
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<p>I think the terrorist label that muslims have to wear is a fair one really and if muslims want to convince the world that they are not terrorists they need to cease the terrorists activities that they have been committing against other nations and races from the beginning of the religion to the present day in Israel, Africa and in Europe in the countries around Russia. The world is not going to believe that Islam is not a religion of terror until it&#8217;s adherents give the world a reason to believe that by stopping all terrorist attacks (how many times did Arafat turn down peace treaties and truces and continue terror attacks after Israel withdrew as a token of peace only to have to go back in to control terrorists attacking them during a cease fire?).
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		<link>http://evangelicalatheist.com/2006/03/16/grandma-moses/#comment-4749</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2006 10:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roya,
         I now understand your frustration, let's face it as an Australian I can say it was not about muslims, not really was it? It was about the fact that these poor Lebansese Australians were rejected as true Austalian citizens (so wrong) and were discriminated against by Anglo Saxon Australians (people like me Roya, but I would not do that unless I felt threatened by a muslim immigarant). Don't get me wrong I can fully understand the muslim immigrant's position when coming to Australia, we will not accept any breach of Australian law, the Sharia law of Muslim people is incompatible to Australian law. It is not a judgement, Australians see the situation as Why would anyone want to come to Australia if they did not want the freedom of Australians that is not included in the Sharia law of muslims? But by the same token Australians will not ever let a migrant group such as the Lebanese aggressors come to our country and define how you can behave towards male and female Australians (e.g. you cannot bash lifeguards trying to protect Australian women from being raped or rape women for wearing a mini skirt - they may actually be virgins - rape is always wrong no matter what). Australia has laws! they can't be broken by citizens who are third generation Australians born here, they most cetainly cannot be broken by immigrants wanting to live in Australia. We are maintaining by law a lifestyle that is pleasant, profitable to all without discrimination and fair to all Australians (whether they are natural born Austalians like me or recently naturalised Australians) it has to be fair for all!</description>
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<p>Roya,<br />
         I now understand your frustration, let&#8217;s face it as an Australian I can say it was not about muslims, not really was it? It was about the fact that these poor Lebansese Australians were rejected as true Austalian citizens (so wrong) and were discriminated against by Anglo Saxon Australians (people like me Roya, but I would not do that unless I felt threatened by a muslim immigarant). Don&#8217;t get me wrong I can fully understand the muslim immigrant&#8217;s position when coming to Australia, we will not accept any breach of Australian law, the Sharia law of Muslim people is incompatible to Australian law. It is not a judgement, Australians see the situation as Why would anyone want to come to Australia if they did not want the freedom of Australians that is not included in the Sharia law of muslims? But by the same token Australians will not ever let a migrant group such as the Lebanese aggressors come to our country and define how you can behave towards male and female Australians (e.g. you cannot bash lifeguards trying to protect Australian women from being raped or rape women for wearing a mini skirt - they may actually be virgins - rape is always wrong no matter what). Australia has laws! they can&#8217;t be broken by citizens who are third generation Australians born here, they most cetainly cannot be broken by immigrants wanting to live in Australia. We are maintaining by law a lifestyle that is pleasant, profitable to all without discrimination and fair to all Australians (whether they are natural born Austalians like me or recently naturalised Australians) it has to be fair for all!
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		<title>By: roya</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Mar 2006 08:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SS: "the riots at Cronulla beach (done by atheists)!"
Prove it.

It wan't about christianity?
Well christians made sure it was.
To name a few known devouted Christian commentaters, Piers Akerman, and Andrew Bolt, (Others I don't know their names), who were so quick to point the finger at Muslims.
At seven and nine news, some churches called for harmony, in order to get attention, which made the problem to look like a problem of Islam. 
The fundamental christian leader of liberal party NSW attacked the laber party for not being aggressive enough on Muslims.</description>
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<p>SS: &#8220;the riots at Cronulla beach (done by atheists)!&#8221;<br />
Prove it.</p>
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<p>It wan&#8217;t about christianity?<br />
Well christians made sure it was.<br />
To name a few known devouted Christian commentaters, Piers Akerman, and Andrew Bolt, (Others I don&#8217;t know their names), who were so quick to point the finger at Muslims.<br />
At seven and nine news, some churches called for harmony, in order to get attention, which made the problem to look like a problem of Islam.<br />
The fundamental christian leader of liberal party NSW attacked the laber party for not being aggressive enough on Muslims.
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