GOD or NOT Submissions Needed
This Friday is the deadline for GOD or NOT #5 (Spiritual Beings), which will be hosted at Amaranthine Acatalepsy on Monday, January 2. There has been ONE submission so far! Submit posts on ghosts, angels, etc. as soon as possible.
I will write something on the subject later this week. Based on my stats over the last few days, no one is reading anyway. An atheist site shouldn’t see a 30% drop in readership because of religious holidays, but there you have it.
If you have a blog, a post calling for submissions would be much appreciated.
~I AM~
December 27th, 2005 at at 6:05 pm
Ah, the 30 percent drop was probably all Aeger while he was going to Texas.
I’d be happy to trade a call for GoN submissions in exchange for a call for WTF Carnival submissions. Eh? Eh?
Ah, I’ll do it on Kingdom of Heathen anyways.
December 27th, 2005 at at 8:09 pm
Done. Thanks for reminding me.
December 27th, 2005 at at 11:59 pm
What do you need more right now, theistic or atheistic posts?
December 28th, 2005 at at 11:54 am
Everyone must be too busy with the war on Christmas to visit.
December 28th, 2005 at at 12:53 pm
Just because we’re atheists doesn’t mean that we are still not expected to buy presents and attend family functions.
December 28th, 2005 at at 9:24 pm
Aaron:
We have fewer theist posts, but we need both.
December 29th, 2005 at at 2:22 am
I’ve sent off a submission. How many are you up to, thus far?
December 29th, 2005 at at 3:36 am
I just submitted one as well (my first, actually).
December 29th, 2005 at at 8:15 am
Actually, I did submit an entry (”Who Wants to be a Ghost ?”, http://goosetheantithesis.blogspot.com/2005/12/who-wants-to-be-ghost.html ), but I guess it doesn’t count because you don’t like me personally… and God or Not is not actually a serious carnival, but a personality contest.
And yet you say you’re starved for content. If that’s the truth, why are you rejecting entries based on personality contests ?
December 29th, 2005 at at 9:14 am
Francois:
Yours was the one submission referenced in the post. Despite what you claim on your site, you have not been banned from GOD or NOT. Inclusion of any submission is strictly at the discretion of the host. I promise you that if I host again you will not be included, but other hosts make their own decisions.
Last comment I’ll ever make on this blog…
I was hopeful, but I knew you didn’t mean it.
December 29th, 2005 at at 9:18 am
Reluctant:
5 atheist, 1 theist (which is questionable at best)
December 29th, 2005 at at 9:25 am
Well, I’m glad you’ll at least talk to me on your comments. I had to learn about it from Aaron (who as you may know works with me on the Hellbound Alleee Show), and he thought you meant to say that Goosing the Antithesis was banned from the carnival. Being a contributor, he was not very happy about that.
Why did you not return my email ? I don’t like that you are attacking a friend of mine for something that was solely my responsibility. In fact, Aaron was taking your side and asked me to take you down from the “shit list”. I was considering it, and asked my readers about it, until you sent him that vicious email.
It seems to me that friendship is pretty much out of the question now, but I’m always ready to take you down from the “shit list” (since that seems to be what you want) and just forget about all that you said to me, if you’ll do your part in stopping the hostilities. I’ll also post it publically on my blog. What do you say ?
December 29th, 2005 at at 9:27 am
By the way, I forgot to mention that I’m a little proud to be the first submission.
Go atheists !
December 29th, 2005 at at 10:26 am
Francois, you are really amazing. I should ignore you, since you’re clearly an attention whore… however, I just can’t understand how you can suggest that friendship was EVER an option, given how you have behaved.
I hope he says nothing. He’s better off on your shit list, where it’s clear he wants nothing to do with you. You’ve already had a second chance, as far as I can tell. You got included in carnivals he hosted here after that whole ugly attack last month (yes, the one after which you were supposed to go away forever). Then you repay him by adding him to your stupid, juvenile shit list (because Bill O’Reilly is someone to emulate - and changing the name was a nice try to be less childish, btw!).
I don’t think ANYONE should blame I AM for deciding he is done with you… I thought he was awfully kind to give you the second chance when he did. He proved, not that it was hard to imagine, that he’s the better person in all this. He didn’t declare some kind of childish blog war, but handled it personally - and if he chose not to reply to your email, he has that right.
I don’t know what went down (and none of us need to know, either) btwn I AM and Aaron, but Aaron IS listed as a contributor on the blog that now possesses the newly named shit list. I’m not sure how it is that someone who behaves like you manages to have any friends or supporters, but I’m sure Aaron has his reasons, just as I am sure that I AM has his reasons for doing whatever you’re so pissed off about.
Why don’t you just go away for real now? You’ve made yourself unwanted here. I hear you have a habit of doing that. That’s a shame, but the rest of us shouldn’t have to suffer because you have some sort of personality disorder.
December 29th, 2005 at at 12:11 pm
Is it always this hostile, here?
December 29th, 2005 at at 12:18 pm
Only when Franc is around.
December 29th, 2005 at at 12:42 pm
I’ve been reading and visiting. Just havent had a lot to say. My mind only half works when the kids are out of school.. I’ll give it a look.
December 29th, 2005 at at 2:18 pm
I didn’t ask for any hostility on this thread. I was offering friendship and you people post against me. What the fuck is your problem ?
“You’ve already had a second chance”
I didn’t do anything that needed a “chance”. Only asking “I AM” a few questions and putting him on my enemies list when he attacked me. But I’m willing to forgive and forget. Talk about being hateful !
December 29th, 2005 at at 2:19 pm
By the way “Liberatheist”, why do you keep attacking me on comments threads and yet don’t allow comments on yours ? You’re no libertarian.
December 29th, 2005 at at 2:27 pm
For what it’s worth, you did allege that “God or Not is not actually a serious carnival, but a personality contest.” I’m sure there are people here who would be offended by that.
December 29th, 2005 at at 2:31 pm
That was before I knew that what Aaron told me was wrong, but I apologize for that. I’m really sorry and didn’t want to offend other participants to the carnival. But in my defense, I had no way of directly knowing what was really going on since “I AM” never told me anything.
December 29th, 2005 at at 2:42 pm
Fair enough. Communication is essential on the blogosphere, as long as you keep it clean. In my experience, things start falling apart as soon as we start attacking each other.
December 29th, 2005 at at 2:59 pm
Well, all I can say is I agree with you on that 100%.
December 29th, 2005 at at 3:48 pm
On Aaron’s recommendation, I have decided to erase the “shit list”. I don’t think it’s the best thing for the blog, but I trust his judgment. I’ll have to find another way to defend myself against the so-called “atheist community”.
December 29th, 2005 at at 6:00 pm
You can comment on my site. Alleee has, and so have others. Granted, it may not be the easiest comment link to find, but it’s there.
December 29th, 2005 at at 7:16 pm
Thank you for taking down the list Franc. And I appreciate your reconciliatory attitude.
And to everyone else, for the record I did take I AM’s side on this issue. Franc and I are good friends and we work on alot of projects together, but sometimes we disagree or see things differently. Yet Franc and I are always able to approach our differences in a construcitve way and resolve them quickly and amicably.
I happen to be a very optimistic person with a “cant we all just get along?” attitude. All I want is for everyone in the atheist community to be understanding and communicative with each-other. The most important thing for me is to kick religion out the door as quickly as possible, and working together will help it happen quicker. We need to emphasize our strengths and downplay our differences.
I hope everyone here can at least recognize Franc’s recent gestures and his willingness to reconcile. He is a good person, just like I AM and everyone else here are good people too. Im bet that some of you here will not agree with me that Franc is a good person, and I dont expect all of you to. But Franc’s recent actions and outreach attempts speak for themselves and should be acknowleged and considered. Its important for all atheists to encourage these kinds of sentiments amongst ourselves.
I think all the atheists in the blogosphere should keep a few things in mind. When disagreements occur, they should be addressed constructively with reconciliation as the main goal. Sometimes that might be for the parties to agree to disagree politely and respectfully. When arguments or bad feelings come around, the goal should be to resolve those bad feelings and to come to acceptable terms with the other party, not to antagonize or to enflame the situation, nor to dismiss the other party.
Whats it take to get a group hug goin on around here?
December 29th, 2005 at at 7:34 pm
So I was reading that commenr, Aaron, and I thought to myself, “Hey, I should say something about a group hug.” Then I finish it, and I realize…you stole my punchline.
…how ’bout a wave?
December 29th, 2005 at at 7:57 pm
LOL Seth,
See, thats because I am psychic. Yes, I am a materialistic atheist psychic.
December 29th, 2005 at at 8:12 pm
Yea, Aaron is always consilient, but I find it harder to agree when I’m the one getting attacked and I’m the prime target that the big wigs of the “atheist community” are trying to sink - from Infidel Guy, Evangelistic Atheist and Raving Atheist onwards. The fact is that as long as they ignore my material, I don’t stand a chance of getting off the ground. It is fucking frustrating and Aaron knows it worries me constantly. And the most frustrating is that no one complains about the quality of my material. It’s always personal attacks.
The fact is that I’m basically impotent against these people. I don’t have any recourse, except try to make the truth known, and few people listen to me because of the attacks in the first place. So I feel somewhat bitter about talks of conciliation. Obviously “I AM” has zero desire to do so, so what is my recourse ? I’m tired of being a fucking punching bag and doing a radio show, two blogs, and web sites that no one reads because I am constantly ignored and attacked.
December 29th, 2005 at at 8:27 pm
I would think the best way to avoid these conflicts is to simply not say attack somebody else’s material if you don’t like it. You may have a point, but the argument will escalate until we all get very mad at each other…like today. We need to stay united against a common enemy: The Judean People’s Front.
I mean, theists.
December 29th, 2005 at at 9:00 pm
That’s what I want. How is Evangelical Atheist ignoring my material helping to accomplish this ?
December 30th, 2005 at at 12:01 am
…Give Peace A Chance
December 30th, 2005 at at 12:19 am
[…] I’m tired of being a fucking punching bag […] that no one reads because I am constantly ignored and attacked.
Franc, you really just don’t get it do you? In every thread that I have been party too where you claim to have been “attacked”, it has been you that has started the attacks and or name calling. Just because someone disagrees with you, that is not an attack. ~I AM~ made a statement about the big bang that you didn’t like, so you accused him of “acting like a Christian”. You didn’t offer anything constructive you just attacked his position without offering any counter point of your own.
I’m not a big Raving Atheist fan but, calling him an “anti-reason moron” hardly sounds constructive. In that same post, you follow that sentiment with this gem, “Waaa wa waaa, you’re all morons. I’m the only intelligent person left on this fucking planet.”
For myself, you read one post at my blog that you didn’t like and with no provocation, you called me a “Stupid! Stupid stupid human!” an “idiot”, and an “imbecile”.
Gee, I wonder why people ignore you?
December 30th, 2005 at at 1:03 am
See, this is what happens when I’m not around. Acrimony.
December 30th, 2005 at at 7:56 am
Well said, LBBP. I’d say you hit the nail on the head.
There’s such a thing as taking something too far, and I’d say Franc has mastered that. Unwarranted and undeserved attacks are not easily forgivable - especially when they continue to happen. I think I AM has handled himself very well in this sticky situation… he’s been publicly attacked, without provocation, on multiple occassions now. Constructive critique is one thing, childish attacks caused by jealousy is another thing entirely. I AM has a lot of readers for many good reasons. He’s entertaining, open minded, highly intelligent and he has a way of presenting content in an easy to read, organized fashion that’s always enjoyable.
Franc, if you want people to give you the sort of attention you seem to want - attention to your “work”, you should consider rethinking how you relate to people. I’ve read some of the other controversies you’ve stirred up - it’s not just this site on which you’ve caused problems… furthermore, some of your own positions sometimes seem unclear - and then you attack people for going against those uncertain positions. It makes you frustrating to read, and difficult to take seriously.
You claim to want that, so I’d suggest that if you genuinely do, you take some time to really think about how all of this negative, attention-seeking behavior reflects on you and the work you seem to care so much about. Otherwise, I doubt you’re ever going accomplish what you hope to.
December 30th, 2005 at at 1:49 pm
How ironic that I’m being accused of taking things too far by people who are attacking me without provocation on another person’s comments page.
December 30th, 2005 at at 2:24 pm
Okay, let’s follow Aaron’s advice and hug…and then let’s all shut up.
December 30th, 2005 at at 2:41 pm
Francois wrote: “. . . without provocation . . .”
December 30th, 2005 at at 2:45 pm
I AM, is there any chance of you closing comments on this post?
December 30th, 2005 at at 4:06 pm
Dude, no need to close comments, at least not yet. Everyone is talking relatively calmly.
But I think there is a need for a group hug. Why argue about who started what? The braver and more mature thing to do is to look towards the future and all agree to play nice and get along.
December 30th, 2005 at at 4:26 pm
Cough, more shameless self-promotion.
December 30th, 2005 at at 7:44 pm
But I think there is a need for a group hug. Why argue about who started what? The braver and more mature thing to do is to look towards the future and all agree to play nice and get along.
You can’t just erase what’s been done and said, even if you delete comments or take down lists. Besides that, this is real life - as much as anything is - and if you want to have open lines of communication, you have to be prepared for some degree of dissension. Whether or not we are on the “same side”, we are never going to all agree. The problem in this case is with someone who doesn’t know how to disagree in a constructive fashion and who has illustrated this time and again. Furthermore, when anyone disagrees with him, no matter how civilly it is done, he sees it as an attack…
You can try to get everyone to kiss and make up, but it is just a matter of time before it happens again - either here or elsewhere in the blogosphere.
How ironic that I’m being accused of taking things too far by people who are attacking me without provocation on another person’s comments page.
It’s an open forum. There is often discussion in the comments between the people leaving them, directed at each other as opposed to the blog owner.
I’m sorry you feel so ignored and attacked at the same time. I meant what I wrote up there, and I’d guess you see some truth in it, since you were unusually silent on the content of what I wrote. I don’t know you personally, but honestly think you have some sort of psychological problem when it comes to dealing with the rest of the world. That’s merely an observation - but you’re probably going to see it as an attack anyway.
All the same, now that I’ve come to realize this, it’s beyond time to just actually leave you alone. At first you made me angry and frustrated, and I responded as such. Now I just feel sad for you… that you seem truly unable to comprehend why we were all so angry and frustrated, and that the only sort of attention you seem to be able to get is related to your personality and not the work that matters so much to you.
I hope someday you are able to get help with all of that, Francois… it doesn’t excuse your actions, but it’s enough that I’m just going to leave you be now. Good luck.