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	<title>Comments on: Guest Post by Chad</title>
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		<title>By: Eternal Revolution &#187; A Third Way</title>
		<link>http://evangelicalatheist.com/2005/09/05/guest-post-by-chad/#comment-5289</link>
		<dc:creator>Eternal Revolution &#187; A Third Way</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 18:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I empathize with what he&#8217;s saying. It&#8217;s unfortunate that the &#8220;good news&#8221; of the Gospel and story of God&#8217;s amazing grace can be overshadowed by an intrusive and arrogant approach too often taken. Apologizing and explaining what it does NOT mean to be a follower of Christ can be a good start - as was my intent with this experiment last year. [...]</description>
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<p>[&#8230;] I empathize with what he&#8217;s saying. It&#8217;s unfortunate that the &#8220;good news&#8221; of the Gospel and story of God&#8217;s amazing grace can be overshadowed by an intrusive and arrogant approach too often taken. Apologizing and explaining what it does NOT mean to be a follower of Christ can be a good start - as was my intent with this experiment last year. [&#8230;]
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		<title>By: Colleen</title>
		<link>http://evangelicalatheist.com/2005/09/05/guest-post-by-chad/#comment-2040</link>
		<dc:creator>Colleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2005 01:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember that the biblical life span is 3 score + 10=70  years. Life spans have been remarkably consistent through out all recorded history. It is life expectancy that has changed but that is something different. Today, very few women (in our country) will die in childbirth. They died in horrible numbers earlier on. Men, likewise, if they survived military service and dodged serious disease also lived to ripe old ages.

So, I got curious and looked up some famous people real quick-- here are some examples:

Plato-- lived to be 80
St. Patrick (b. 387) lived to be 105 or 75 depending on which sources you consult.
St. Martin of Tours (b. 316) lived to be 80 or 81.
St. Augustine (d. 430) at the age of 76
Tacitus (the historian: b. 56 AD? died ca. 120)
Hadrian (emperor b. 74 AD died 138 AD)
Emperor Augustus (63 B.C. - 14 A.D.) 

I could go on and on but you get the idea.</description>
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<p>Remember that the biblical life span is 3 score + 10=70  years. Life spans have been remarkably consistent through out all recorded history. It is life expectancy that has changed but that is something different. Today, very few women (in our country) will die in childbirth. They died in horrible numbers earlier on. Men, likewise, if they survived military service and dodged serious disease also lived to ripe old ages.</p>
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<p>So, I got curious and looked up some famous people real quick&#8211; here are some examples:</p>
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<p>Plato&#8211; lived to be 80<br />
St. Patrick (b. 387) lived to be 105 or 75 depending on which sources you consult.<br />
St. Martin of Tours (b. 316) lived to be 80 or 81.<br />
St. Augustine (d. 430) at the age of 76<br />
Tacitus (the historian: b. 56 AD? died ca. 120)<br />
Hadrian (emperor b. 74 AD died 138 AD)<br />
Emperor Augustus (63 B.C. - 14 A.D.) </p>
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<p>I could go on and on but you get the idea.
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		<title>By: Colleen</title>
		<link>http://evangelicalatheist.com/2005/09/05/guest-post-by-chad/#comment-2039</link>
		<dc:creator>Colleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2005 00:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is a common misconception. People lived to ripe old ages in those days too, just not as many as do today. There are certain milestones ages that we know about. I can't remember and am too lazy to look it up but I think I recall that if a child lived to be 5 he made it past the first hurdle. There are other markers along the way but you get my drift. If you made it past them, you generally lived to a fine age.</description>
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<p>That is a common misconception. People lived to ripe old ages in those days too, just not as many as do today. There are certain milestones ages that we know about. I can&#8217;t remember and am too lazy to look it up but I think I recall that if a child lived to be 5 he made it past the first hurdle. There are other markers along the way but you get my drift. If you made it past them, you generally lived to a fine age.
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		<title>By: jahrta</title>
		<link>http://evangelicalatheist.com/2005/09/05/guest-post-by-chad/#comment-2005</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2005 18:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Besides which, 60 years still means that there were likely people alive who actually witnessed the events in question." 

Back in those days people VERY seldom reached their 60's. So even if a mere baby in the time of christ, any witness would have to be weighed with a certain amount of careful consideration</description>
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<p>&#8220;Besides which, 60 years still means that there were likely people alive who actually witnessed the events in question.&#8221; </p>
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<p>Back in those days people VERY seldom reached their 60&#8217;s. So even if a mere baby in the time of christ, any witness would have to be weighed with a certain amount of careful consideration
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		<title>By: Colleen</title>
		<link>http://evangelicalatheist.com/2005/09/05/guest-post-by-chad/#comment-1783</link>
		<dc:creator>Colleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2005 12:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jahrta: The problem with your stance is that it destroys the basis for believing that we know anything about the past. Tacitus most certainly did not rely on word of mouth! Writing had been invented, you know. Letters, state documents, official histories, etc all existed and are well known to historians.  It is simply nonsense to suppose that "decades" had passed before the story reached Tacitus or anyone else. Besides which, 60 years still means that there were likely people alive who actually witnessed the events in question.

But the more important point is that you don't seem to understand that history is not a word of mouth proposition at the time period we are talking about.  

Now there are huge gaps of course, and that is why I brought up Caesar's Gallic wars. But there is enough written testimony about him and the wars for us to be pretty certain he existed and that he really did push into Gaul. </description>
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<p>jahrta: The problem with your stance is that it destroys the basis for believing that we know anything about the past. Tacitus most certainly did not rely on word of mouth! Writing had been invented, you know. Letters, state documents, official histories, etc all existed and are well known to historians.  It is simply nonsense to suppose that &#8220;decades&#8221; had passed before the story reached Tacitus or anyone else. Besides which, 60 years still means that there were likely people alive who actually witnessed the events in question.</p>
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<p>But the more important point is that you don&#8217;t seem to understand that history is not a word of mouth proposition at the time period we are talking about.  </p>
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<p>Now there are huge gaps of course, and that is why I brought up Caesar&#8217;s Gallic wars. But there is enough written testimony about him and the wars for us to be pretty certain he existed and that he really did push into Gaul.
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